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Poster: William Tell Date: Jul 1, 2009 8:02am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non-Dead Politics?

That's basically my implication--luck. Good for Ronnie, bad for Jimmy. I think we largely agree.

I know that RR gets the credit, as you note, deservedly or not, for those two issues (soviet collapse, economic turn around), but having watched very carefully at the time, what is often forgotten is that ironically enough, shortly after passing his tax breaks, they virtually were all rescinded/obviated so that overall taxes did not go down, and as for the collapse, it was in the cards for the prior 30 yrs. My travels and experiences indicate to me that the soviets were not the empire we feared and imagined, and were crumbling long before that time...true, a part of that explanation lies with expenditures on defence for them, but really it was just the nature of their totalitarian state--one that was not successful in building external empires to support their internal fragile hold on the people...they fall eventually given the explotative approaches they are wedded to.

When examined critically, other than the rhetoric against the Soviets, the actual on the ground decisions by RR were very poor in the foreign relations dept (Beirut, Iraq, Cent Amer, etc.), but because they were "relatively" inconsequential (although don't tell the relatives of the 240 marines this) they are glossed over....

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Jul 1, 2009 10:19am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non-Dead Politics?

The economic recovery was largely the work of the Fed, primarily Paul Volcker, a Carter appointee who now is working for Obama.

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Poster: spacedface Date: Jul 1, 2009 1:46pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non-Dead Politics?

The USSR was failing anyway and the Reaganites overstated the threat, and in a don't worry be happy its the end of the world because God's on our side.

Nevermind, huh, callous regard for the poor, massive spending while cutting taxes, raiding of S&Ls, destruction & neglect of our manufacturing and civil infrastructure, shift jobs overseas, fund nukes/defund solar renewables-efficiency, fund both Iraq and Iran, fund and train torture and death squads in Central America, claims that raped murdered American nuns -- by our Contras -- were not real nuns, poison pot, defund drug rehab, import coke from the WH basement (Oliver's army), invent and promote crack, changes laws so blacks end in jail more, do nothing about AIDS, and God knows what else.

As people who were into astrology, you have to wonder what signs were seen after they forced a launch disaster when Reagan was supposed to talk to the teacher in space in his state of the union. As Henley said, daddy had to lie.

At least Reagan did avoid the psychoactive jellybeans enough to delay a nuclear war which might have happened if he was not able to overrule the neocon wing. As it was they interfered in Russian affairs enough to contribute to the failure of democracy there.

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Poster: spacedface Date: Jul 1, 2009 1:56pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non-Dead Politics?

And Iran-Contra is still sticky.

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Jul 2, 2009 8:35am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non-Dead Politics?

Still sticky is right.

Iran-Contra laid the ground work for the shenannigans and lies that led to the invasion of Iraq (the 2nd one, based on total horse-shit).

Bush the elder got away with no fewer than two dozen utterances of 'I don't remember" or "I can't recall" in testimony regarding meetings he was in w/Ollie North, Poindexter, and the other criminals who disregarded laws passed by Congress forbidding illegal sales of weapons to the Contras.

That no price was paid (ollie & Poindexter get a couple of token months in a minimum-sec. hotel) was just the beginning of the no-accountability for high ranking govt. officials who make up their own rules, tell blatant lies to cover it all up, and stick the rest of us with the bill--both monetarily (we're still paying for those troops in Iraq, who are STILL there, whether in cities or not, thanks by the way, Barack, for nothing) and in terms of loss of credibility on the world stage.

Reagan said "tear down that wall" when he knew damn well it was already crumbling of its own accord, and said "the scariest 9 words in the English language are 'i'm from the government and i'm here to help"...which begs the question: why then should we elect you to a government job, give you the finest health care imaginable while the rest of us pick from bird droppings, saddle you with perks and gifts from lobbyists and a 6-figure salary, if all you're going to do in return is sit on your goddamned ass?

I'm voting Nader or Zippy the Pinhead in 2012, not sure which yet. What difference could it possibly make anymore?